There was a request in one of the comments for the correspondence preceding the EGM to be revealed. Ms Lai has given the attached correspondence.
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- shanthi s
- OBD Garden Tower Condo, Jalan Desa Utama, Taman Desa, Kuala Lumpur
- I am an OBD resident for the past 1 1/2 years. With this blog, I hope to get to know the OBD community I live with and the issues that affect us. I also hope this blog will serve as a platform for other residents to interact and share thoughts. My only request is that your comments, if any, be kept courteous and responsible.
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Frankly, I'm confused.
Ms Lai,
In your letter on 5 Oct 2009, you wrote :-
"The council, I feel, has done well bearing in mind these duties are undertaken voluntarily by council members while juggling their respective work or professional commitments. I thank you and commend you for it."
A few days ago, in this blog you wrote:-
"To make our OBD condo getting better, we hope to have a trustworthy and transparent commitee."
Do you mean that the current MC are not transparent and not trustworthy?
So, Ms Lai, what is your truthful opinion? Has the MC done a good job, or the MC is untrustworthy?
Come on, you have come so far, while don't you have the courage to explain why you are calling the same MC not trustworthy?
If you have truth on your side, then I urge you to go ahead and explain why you state that the MC is not trustworthy.
Do you have truth on your side?
We will know whether you are truthful when we get an explanation on why you stated that the MC is not trustworthy.
Or maybe you are not explaining because there is no truth in what you said, and in your heart you know what you said is false.
Ms Lai, are you a truthful person?
I look forward to your reply.
Thank you.
BTW my name is Sean Oon and I am one of the MC. However, I'm posting on this blog not as a member of the MC, but as an individual parcel owner of OBD. The above are my personal views.
How's that for transparency?
My apologies if I sound accusatory or is being overly sensitive.
Hi Shanthi,
I 've spoken to you a few times, & we did try to understand the situation & I even offered to meet up with Ms Lai which you have kindly wanted to arrange.
Because we felt it was unhealthy for OBD Community, we are also Owners and would like to work Together not Against each other, especially it's all Voluntary work.
The AGM on 5th Sept 2009, for those owners who attended would have witness that it was all conducted legally; time was created for objections & voting was finalised.
In life we are all somewhat bounded by the Law, we can't just do what we like.
Those who were not nominated, were invited to join as Sub Committee members, also offered to residents who are interested to help.
We feel that communication is very important, to get to work together with each other.
There will definitely be differences and that's when voting & going with the majority comes in. Especially, in Malaysia when we have different ethnics. To satisfy 100% is ideal but near impossible. That's where we are guided by Rules & the Law whether we like it or not :(
On 27th Oct 2009 at 07:20am, a group of us; Japanese mothers with the children all waiting for the school bus. Ms Lai came up to me, we actually greeted her but she suddenly shouted and scolded me in Public. I was really shocked and so were all the people present, some of the children were frighten by her hostility :(
As a Council member, I need to stay calm but I think this is getting too personal. Shanthi, I told you about the incident & you also wondered why there's a need to shout about anything.
Rumours has come to a stage where Council members are being threaten. Why are we being targeted when we are actually serving & protecting the interest of OBD, and we are Owners too!
It's easy to resign and runaway from responsibilities. But as we do represent owners who has voted & are supporting us, we feel we have to carry out our duties for at least this year till the next AGM 2010.
As Owners, Investors, Residents/Tenants & staff working for OBD. Our main Goal is to Live in a Safe and Peaceful environment. Also for the property value to increase (which has recently gone up by 10 to 12%)
Priority goes to maintaining the existing facilities; from tennis courts, public toilets, lifts etc... to work within the funds, as overbudgeting will result in the owners paying more management fees. I as an owner, would not want that to happen.
All letters written to the management & the replys are filed in the management office for all to view.
We have also taken the suggestions from owners that future letters & ongoings to be posted for all to view, so that everyone gets to see both side of the story.
I hope all who cares for the community, do help & Respect one another, it will be a better place when we appreciate things around us rather than find fault.
Best regards,
Lina Teo
Lina,
Thanks, good to see another council member engage in this forum apart from sean alone. This is also the chance for ms lai and yourself to 'converse' directly instead of through mediaries (such as myself who flunked on the job). And since it is online, there can't possibly be any 'shouting' involved. I take it we will hear from ms lai soon.
Yes Shanthi, I agree with you maybe this's a better way to communicate :) I had my reservations in joining your blog, as I was afraid it could lead to more unnecessary conflict.
After the 27th Oct'09 morning Ms Lai's 1 way shouting issue, I didn't feel angry instead I felt embarrassed & Fearful. I have never in my life encounter such behavior in Public before. Just didn't know how to react, but to make a report :(
It was my turn on duty for the whole week in making sure the Japanese children get on the school bus safely. Frankly, I was afraid, coz don't know what would happen every morning. I had concern friends & family members calling to make sure I was safe.
For the past 2 weeks, I'm in distress, even fore go all the OBD yoga lessons, avoiding personal contact. Can't even feel safe within OBD :( What have I Done?
I've only spoken to Ms Lai once briefly about 1 & a half years ago, both of us getting a lift from Chen after our walking. I hardly know her, what has she got against me? As a council member? even so, 1 council member has no say or desisions in anything. During council meetings when we disagree on a subject, we debate & go to vote. Happpens every meeting as we all come from different backgrounds & have different views. Even when we lose out on a vote, it's nothing personal, just that the majority thinks differently from ourselves & we accept it as a Team.
But recently, people have become very aggressive in OBD, going to the management office scolding vulgarity, threatening & we even had a case whereby the owner laid a hand on Chen :(
The management office staff are working for OBD & they are just doing their job. They shouldn't be facing such uncalled for situations.
I'm in total agreement with the person in this blog saying: We should resolve problems amicably & approach things peacefully. Channel our positive energies towards a more peaceful coexistence as we are all living under one big roof.
Put yourself in the other persons shoes; if you don't want people to treat you that way, you shouldn't be doing that to others. We are all humans & has feelings too.
I hope my existing phobia with people walking up to me suddenly; subsides with more positive happenings around us.
Hope for a peaceful year end with all the Festive season ahead :)
Cheers!
My big apologies to Lina for talking to her in a loud voice. Words uttered by me are as follows "You talk a lot of bad things about me to the Japanese community at OBD and other residents too. It is ok for me but it will be bad karma to continue with such actions". After that I said nothing and left.
I did not use any bad or vulgar words. Upon seeing Lina I was overwhelmed with emotions, that of hurt and injustice at being badly spoken off. I could not contain myself and said what I said in a loud manner. Looking back I was surprised at my actions, but I have been suffering in silence from Lina's tales and bad words about me.
From the signatures obtained, 36.4%owners support the call for EGM. The signatures were not obtained through force or lies. Everytime I will ask each and every one of them to read the points raised beforehand with the exception of 1 or 2. After that would they only sign, not by fabrication or any improper manner.
As to Mr. Seanoon, I will explain on 'trustworthy and transparent committee'.
Prior to the AGM, I submitted my nomination form to the management office and the office confirmed to me that according to the House Rules, the management committee (MC) can have a maximum of 14 members. Now present 11 MC,2 MC have intention to resign so there is 5 vacant seats. Thinking that have 14 members will be more effective to serve OBD I ask owners to consider nomination and serve to make a better OBD.
From what I know at the AGM 1 resigned MC was asked to go back and fill up the vacant seat and a new owner to fill up the second vacant seat. So the MC is 11 again. Why keep it a 11 and not open to 14??? Seems don't welcome new people to be MC. Why don't allow more to join?
You then say to elect 11 MC for this year, not 14, as 11 is the suitable number. You ask anyone object? Ms Ishibashi asked chairman Mr Sakamoto in Japanese, why not 14 but 11? Mr Sakamoto answered in Japanese, said no, is 11 not 14. Objection is raised on why fixing nomination at 11. I feel the issue is not dealt with properly. I ask myself is there a breach of AGM procedures.
I went to check with my legal. This is what the lawyer said :"If want to change the number of MC, must decide by the floor owners, must have election, vote to decide 11 or 14 MC. Cannot only by the announcement and ask "Is any one object".
It is on this AGM procedure that the sentence 'trustworthy and transparent committee' comes in. Nothing to do with any MC person or their character.
Mr. Seanoon, I believe you are a good man. After AGM you invited some of us who did not make it to MC to dinner and chat. You said very clearly that you sit and talk to us not represent MC group but as yourself. Another MC also come as a friend and not represent MC group. Another ex MC also was there. Lina has make statement saying I am not to be believed and other things and Sean came to the dinner represent MC group to talk to us. This is not true, people at the dinner can come out and say you never represent yourself like this. Why must Lina utter such lie?
To the owners who supported the EGM call I would like to introduce myself.
MY family has been staying in Malaysia for nearly 20 years. My 20years old son is studying in USA. We love and appreciate our comfortable life here, therefore all this while I have been doing voluntary work in Malaysia, for example:-
1. Helping at Children's Home in Cheras for 12 years.
2. For 3 years, I recorded Mandarin at te MAB ( Malaysia Association for the Blind).
3. Till to date, for almost 14 years I am a volunteer at the SPCA.
4. Presently, I am a volunteer at the Taiwan Buddhist TZU_CHI Foundation on behalf of Malaysia.
5. I also sacrifice my time and money to rescue and provide medical care to hundreds of abandoned dogs and cats.
Dear owners, I need your support to proceed further with the EGM call. I am very tired with the untrue and negative things said about me. Personally I have nothing to gain and doing it as a volunteer. Thanking everyone who supported the EGM call. Without your support and understanding I will be unable to move on. Thank you.
Ms Lai, there was no PROPOSAL to change the numbers of MCs. The number 11 was from last year. If you or anyone else wanted this to be any other number, you should have proposed. But as a fact no one proposed.
I suggest that you re-check with your legal.
Let's paused for a moment and ask - is OBD any worse off because there are 11 instead of 14 MCs? This is very key to your entire campaign.
So you want an EGM to propose and vote on whether we should have 11 or 14 MCs?
You want this after you have not proposed this during the AGM proper.
The EGM will cost OBD monies.
Why didn't you just propose this in the AGM and save us all the hassle and some money of an EGM?
Why are we (all the owners of OBD) paying for your ignorance on how AGMs are conducted?
As much as I try to be objective about this matter, I can't help but feel that you have a personal agenda about this whole matter and is not acting in the best interest of the entire OBD. Why after repeated calls for you to join in the sub-committee non of you have volunteered? If your ego is somehow hurt by all this, I am sorry, but to drag the entire community through this to satisfy your personal needs, I'm speechless. But then it's just my opinion without prejudice.
Having read your post 3 times, it is quite an interesting story,but I still do not see how the existing MC are not transparent and not trustworthy.
I'm however glad that you finally admitted to labeling the MC - not transparent and not trustworthy.
Further, in the process of labeling the MC not transparent and not trustworthy, you have even specific names of the MCs.
So, Ms Lai, if you think I'm a good man, will you take my advise - stop all these and at the next AGM, propose 14 MC, go to vote.
The Malay have a saying - kerana nila setitik, rosak sebelangga susu.
Come on. Be big hearted. Let this go. Enough time and resources wasted on this petty matter.
To end, again ask yourself 2 questions - (1) Is OBD much worse off having 11 MCs instead of 14?
(2) Is what is going on now good for OBD?
Thank you.
just a quick comment.
to the remark that owners should not be made to pay for the cost of EGM because of Ms Lai's ignorance.
-Owners who feel this way (incl council members) would not have signed the EGM requisition. That is within their right and by refusing the sign the requisition, they would have validly demonstrated their disapproval at the right forum or avenue.
-Owners who feel otherwise would have signed the requisition and the law recognises opinion will never be unanimous and sets a 25% support threshold figure for council to act on an EGM requisition.
If the 25% threshold is satisfied, then the unhappy owners (including owners who happen to be in council) must accept that the remaining owners are statutorily entitled to have their EGM. Council members who are unhappy with EGM should then put on their professional council hat when debating convening the EGM and not debate it through their eyes as an unhappy private owner who doesn't want to see his/her maintenance fee wasted on an EGM. If that happens, it would to my mind amount to an improper/biased exercise of council powers.
Ms Lai, can you please clarify or be more specific with "You talk a lot of bad things about me to the Japanese community at OBD and other residents too."
Again I have to say I hardly know you, what bad things can I say?
Ms Lai, please don't make things worse by calling me a liar or saying I make statement saying you are not to be believe? and you expect me to accept your apologies?
There's no excuse for walking up to a person you hardly know and shout at the person in Public.
Are you saying you are going to do that again if you are overwhelmed with emotions?
Again, I would like to ask you, why didn't you want to meet up with us to clarify things, Shanthi ask me if I was ok with a meeting & I was most willing to, I even asked Shanthi to join in.
It seems you turned down the invitation and were not even interested to help as a Sub
committee member.
I don't think I need to advertise what voluntary work I've done, as Charity work to me is best done anonymous.
Please ask yourself what has started all this? Because of a refusal of a 2nd playground? or because you were not voted in at the Sept AGM 2009?
As council members, we are more vunerable to criticism as it's difficult to satisfy every single person.
Ms Lai, I think you have said enough about the present committee members and done enough harm to me by calling me names.
Lina
I never got back to you on the meet up i proposed. That was my failing. I don't recall telling you Ms Lai refused to meet you.
Oh, my apologies, maybe I assumed wrongly, but definitely remembering you telling me that they were not interested to join as sub committee members, because sub committee members got to work but got No say. They want to have a vote only.
I was amazed and did explained to you that council members work too! Invited them to join us to get to know each other better, they get to see how we work and that we are individuals afterall. Maybe, after working together, they will be more interested to join in the next AGM as council members or maybe not.
I think my memory is not that bad.
I want to apologize before I write the below because hard cold logic can often be offensive.
In my argument I will be using a word that may appear harsh but I assure you that I'm using this word with it's dictionary meaning and don't mean to degrade anyone with it.
Ignorance -noun; lack of knowledge, understanding or information about something
My argument as follows:-
When I look at this EGM matter, my question remain:-
(1) If you want 14 MCs, why didn't you propose this at the AGM?
I put it to you that those present who wants 14 didn't know how to and the rest are satisfy with the previous year's number.
If they didn't know how to, isn't this ignorance? Again I remind the reader to read this word with logic and not be emotional.
The EGM lobbyist who were present at the AGM were ignorant of at least how to propose that the number of MCs be 14.
This may not be their fault. Well, neither is it the Chairman of the AGM's fault. Certainly it is not the current MC's fault.
Further, the entire gist of the campaign for EGM is to propose 14 MCs.
It follows that, if not for the ignorance of the people who campaigned for the EGM (the ignorance being - how to propose 14 MCs in a AGM), we won't need this EGM, right?
So, yes I agree legally the quorum stands, but definitely the "father" of this EGM is definitely ignorance.
Logical right?
Harsh but true, we are victims of a few people's ignorance.
Again I ask the same questions:-
(1) Is OBD much worse off having 11 MCs instead of 14?
(2) Is what is going on now good for OBD?
BTW I was the chairman of the AGM, so I definitely know what happened.
Thank you.
Lina,
You are free to articulate your interpretation of our conversation as you wish. I would have too much to do if i had to correct you each time.
我们一起建立博客文化，每一个人的意见都是重要。
We are writing this as residents of OBD who have been staying here for many years. Upon reading all the comments on the blog, we feel that all this feud has to stop.
1.The current Nepalese are doing a fairly good job compared to many previous guards.
2.The recent concluded paint job of the entire OBD building has upgraded the value of OBD.
3.The covered walkway has benefitted all residents.
4.The enhanced gym has also added further value to OBD.
5.The maintenance and re-wiring of the swimming pool has made it safer and nicer.
6.The implementation of the Access Card has improved the security. It has also prevented outsiders from entering the basement carparks.
7.The implementation of more CCTV was an added security measure.
8.The recent success of the high tension cables protest has also maintained the value of OBD.
9.The Balance Sheet of OBD is still healthy.
In view of the above, we do not understand the urgency of having an EGM to seek the resignation of the current legally elected MC. They should be given the chance to prove themselves further till the next AGM.
Regarding the resolution to seek clarification on number of council members limited to 11 members as opposed to 14 members, we do not see that the AGM was breached or flawed as the motion for the council members to remain at 11 was presented and there was no objection from the floor. The fact that clarification in Japanese was seek and lost in translation does not invalidate the AGM.
If all parties are sincere to work towards a better OBD, there’s no difference in being a full council member or sub committee. No one is inherently inferior or superior.
We are deeply saddened by all these misunderstandings in OBD. Please cease all unfounded accusations and prejudice. Surely anyone who is truly sincere in their intentions will not seek to outsmart or kick out anyone in the current MC (unless it is a personal vendetta). Please do not set out to conquer but rather come out in full sincerity. Vulgarity and brutalities is bitter and vengeful. The formulae for peaceful reconciliation is humility and self reflection. We have to eradicate this element of domination. It is everyone’s condo, not just one person. To be fairly treated, respected and accepted, we must first learn to do the same.
If one is are not selfless, genuine, sincere and HUMBLE – then one should not volunteer to be in the MC.
Dear anonymous,
It's 1:45am now, when I saw your comments, it has brought tears to my eyes.
I'm really glad that our contributions has not been wasted.
I have been having sleepless nights wondering why we deserve such bashing.
We had no intentions to advertise what we have done, we are not asking for praises but am glad now we have you all to appreciate the changes in OBD.
No one is perfect but at least we are trying.
Thank you so much for all your support; it has brought me much comfort. I'm sure the other council members alike.(^o^)
Cheers!
Ms Lai
I just moved into OBD not too long ago. The whole purpose of my moving here is because of the excellent location and good reputation of the Condo.
FYI, I also signed the petition for EGM. However, I was told of the blog recently and decided to find out more. Honestly, I must admit I have no idea so much has happened within the condo.
Sad to say this but I do feel a bit slighted after reading the comments. Its nobody’s fault but mine alone for not checking out the real situation before committing myself for the EGM.
Since this is an open forum, I will be honest. My wife & I feel that Ms Lai should not have acted the way she has acted. Shouting at someone in public is itself bad enough karma. We have reservations now about electing someone of your moral repute. With all due respect, if you cannot restrain yourself in such small domestic matters, how can we feel assured by leaving the MC to you? We are pretty confused by your actions since you have done so much for charity and yet display unstable contradictory emotions. After repeated attempts to understand all the comments again, you seem like a person easily driven by emotions.
Your debate on the blog with Seanoon is quite a revelation. You should have raised your query in English if the person next to you can only speak Japanese, and why didn’t you? Were you not paying attention? Any dissatisfaction /contention after the AGM would be too late. Your persistence is admirable but Mr John Maurice Mitchell’s reply to you inviting you & all to join as subcommittee seems adequate to us but not you. My question is what is your contention? Otherwise, Seanoon’s explanation seems to make more sense.
With all due respect.
Lina
please save your tears for another days. that anonymous person is your good buddy Council Member. So stop scratching each other's back.
I've learned a lot about the Human Nature from this blog.
It only goes to show how council members are the target to uncalled for comments.
I'm really blessed to be working with a team of professionals and rational individuals, who have contributed their time and effort to make OBD a better place.
Thank you again to those who appreciate and give constructive comments.
Have a Nice weekend ahead! :)
ms lai
please show more compassion as a budhist.
please join sub committee first if you really sincere want to help.
if you are genuine and compassion then committee or sub, it is ok.
please show gratefulness as a buddhistt.
dont fight. have peace.
you and followers have to do a lot and lots of self thinking. you must offer yourself sincere.
do not be influence. or listen to other people. what you do must be good, coming from your own good not from other people. other people bad, no good.
bad intention, bad karma. no succeed. you will fail in the end.
dont fight anymore. too much anger in you and everybody. no good.
i appeal to you to have grateful, compasssioonn.
i am budist, i know.
I agree totally with anonymous (whoever you are!!) COMPASSION is KEY!
Too much arrogance in some of the comments. Bad thoughts, bad vibes, bad intentions, won't get you anywhere.
Only when you're happy, you make a better person, better friend, better husband, better wife, better neighbors.
Hi,
My apologies for troubling you with more posting.
Let me share with you what motivates me to spend my time on these matters.
Firstly, Ms Lai has labeled a group of really dedicated, good people, ie. the MC as not transparent and not trustworthy.
I'm motivated to understand why she make this allegation and to clear these good people's name.
Secondly, Connie in her 7 Nov 2009, 11.40pm posting in "EGM Requisition", has written the following:-
"2. My child was plaing with his friends at the car park. Then a guard scolded them. However the children retorted. As a response, the guard threw baton at my child, bruising him in the face. To me, the guard's action on controlling the situation was uacceptable and brutal."
This accusation is extremely serious. It can cause the guard to be suspended, put in lock-up during investigation, charged by the police and if found guilty be imprisoned.
On 8 Nov 2009, I wrote and requested for more details from Connie, to which I have not gotten any reply.
My investigation so far reveals:-
(1) it wasn't Connie's son, but another ladies' son.
(2) they claim that it happened in Aug 2009, but are not sure of the date. They are not even sure whether it is Aug 2009 or not.
(3) there's no "bruising him in the face".
(4) Other than the words of a 9 year old boy, there are no other witness, no doctor's report.
(5) further, the lady denies that what Connie posted was her statement.
So the second thing that is motivating me is to get to the bottom of this matter to either safe guard OBD residents' interest or so ensure that the Nepalese guard's are not wrongfully accused.
I have written on the 1st reason and my arguments remains - (a) if you wanted 14, you should have proposed 14 at AGM; (b) if you want to contribute, you can via sub-committee; (c) this campaign of smearing the reputation of the MC does not help anyone.
On the 2nd factor, I'm still hoping for Connie to explain herself because if you can't, it is very irresponsible of you to post such a serious allegation.
Further to what I have written above I want to post a few crucial questions:-
(1) If your child claimed that he was injured by a guard throwing a baton in Aug 2009, would you wait until Nov 2009 to highlight this and through a 3rd party?
(2) Are you aware that a signed complaint containing such a serious allegation will trigger a full investigation by many parties, will subject the guard to suspension and possibly detention by the police, ie affect the life of this particular person?
Connie, I really hope that you can substantiate what you posted because for morality and legality sake, you have just started a very serious matter.
If you feel that perhaps the facts you posted were wrong, then I suggest that you retract what you said, and issue a written apology to the relevant parties (especially the alleged guard).
I end as I started, with an apology for troubling all of you, but I really feel very strongly about the above mentioned 2 matters which I'm of the opinion that they are gross injustice.
Thank you.
I'm not anonymous. My name is Sean OON. My mobile is 019-2112125 and you are welcome to call me if you want to discuss the above.
All the views expressed above are that of my own and is done without prejudice.
I want to talk about Madam Lai and her asking owners for signature support. I hear untrue stories about her in OBD. When she come to talk to me I did not find her to be that deceiving or bad as she is said to be. She explained the matters for EGM clearly and did it honestly and sincerely. No owner were forced or under duress when they sign.
On the AGM if more that 14candidates turn up election should go for 14 MC instead. I think is important so I supported signature for EGM. In the AGM MC decided to have 11 members without asking election from owners present. I understand house rule allow 3 - 14.
In AGM I ask why not vote 14 and become 11. I feel MC did not deal with this issue properly and the meeting continued.
MC are volunteers, if can make OBD condo better improvement why not open to more new blood or faces to serve. What is the problem?
I feel different ideas, thinkings and approach will make a better living environment in OBD. When I read the word trustworthy and transparent, I believe it is about why owners at AGM were not told clearly that they must vote for keeping MC at 11 or open it to 14. I don't think it has to do with any MC personally, it is just a general term.
Thank you.
Regards,
Ishibashi
Ishibashi San,
1. At the start of the AGM, MC for previous year stepped down. So they were not MCs during the AGM.
2. The floor then appoint a Chairman for the AGM, and I was appointed the Chairman of the AGM.
3. When it came to the number of MCs for the coming year, I explained to the meeting the merits of 11 MCs versus 14 MCs. My opinion was that even at 11 MCs, often it was difficult to get enough quorum for meetings. I was doing my job as the Chairman of the AGM by way of expressing my opinion. It is up to the AGM to decide and not for me to decide whether it should be 11 or 14.
4. I was not privy to your question in Japanese as firstly, it wasn't directed at me (the Chairman of the AGM) and secondly, my Japanese is not of the level whereby I can understand what you said.
Later, in the AGM, when you introduce yourself, your friend (Ms Lai) helped by way of translating what you said in Japanese into English.
It was clear that you have a translator whom you can use if you wanted to voice your opinion/objection/proposal.
I fail to understand why in one situation you would use your translator and in another you didn't.
You could have use your translator to voice your question.
Note also that your English speaking friends didn't raise any questions on their own.
5. On your question -
"MC are volunteers, if can make OBD condo better improvement why not open to more new blood or faces to serve. What is the problem?"
Ishibashi San, from my memory, there were 16 candidates for the 11 MC positions of which 7 were not from the previous MC.
The AGM voted on who they want to be their MC.
The previous MC has nothing to do with this. Of course each of the previous MC has their right to vote and they are entitled to vote as they see fit.
It is the decision of the majority of the owners who attended the AGM to vote in the 11 MCs, which happened to comprise 10 MCs from previous year and 1 new person.
This outcome is not the fault of the previous year MC.
This is the voice/decision of the majority present at the AGM.
6. On this point:-
"When I read the word trustworthy and transparent, I believe it is about why owners at AGM were not told clearly that they must vote for keeping MC at 11 or open it to 14."
Ishibashi San, I did ask if anyone objected to maintain 11 MCs. I even waited for a while to make sure everyone understood. If you have objected, then it would trigger a proposal, but as a fact no one proposed to change this.
This has nothing to do with the current MC because:-
(a) at that point in time, they were not this year's MC yet. Remember, we have not gone to vote at that point.
Therefore, it is incorrect to label the current MC to as not transparent and not trustworthy because they were not MC when this happened.
Ishibashi San, I sincerely understand your frustration on being left out from the MC and we have met as friends and discussed this.
I understand Ms Lai, your friends and you want to help make OBD a better place.
This is OUR condo.
It belongs to ALL of us.
Everyone can HELP the condo to be better.
You don't need to be on the MC to help OBD.
Join us in sub-committee.
Ishibashi San, let's have a cup of tea and end this "quarrel".
It is not doing anyone any good.
Thank you and have a good weekend.
I have to split my comments into several pages as this blog only accepts 4,000 characters per post.
Part 1 :
I have been on the EGM issue and have been hesitating on how I should present my views in writing the following comments to avoid further misunderstanding which may cause further complication.
First and foremost, I am coming here with one very simple objective, that is, to call for a solution to end the conflicts as soon as possible and in an amicable and sincere manner from both parties. I know I am not in a position to influence the outcome but I hope both parties are able to put aside their personal differences in the best interest of the entire OBD community.
Please do not judge me by my statement or the way I phrase my comments. I really do not want to complicate the matter further just because of misunderstanding on those “wordings” I used. I have tried my best to put myself in a neutral position in all my comments.
Like one anonymous had called to end the issue amicably, I urge that it should end NOW before things get out of control and I do not wish to see the residents living in 2 different worlds within the same community, especially we have foreign residents here.
I supported the call for an EGM only with one objective, that is, to have more voice to represent the residents in the MC. I must stress that it was never my intention to support the move with a motive to “fight” with the present MC. At this point of time, I only supported the calls to have more members, nothing else.
Although initially I was not sure whether Ms Lai could get sufficient support to push for an EGM, I put down my signature to show my moral support for her spirit and tireless effort. In fact I am quite surprise that she managed to get sufficient support. I must say it is not an easy job going around begging for support like a mad woman, (no offence, please), some may even find her irritating. I give her my highest respect although I may not be totally agreed on all issues brought up to me. I have my stand on certain issues.
But back to principle, looking at the latest development on the issue, I would not want to see a deepen conflict between the residents and the MC. It may even cause conflict between residents at later stage as the rift widened. If the “fighting process” is prolonged, it could cause more damage hence jeopardizing our image and values.
While reading this blog in the morning, I simply google on “OBD condo” and was surprised that this blog landed at the end of page 4 (which is not bad in term of page ranking). I just wondered what would a potential buyer or tenant feels if he happens to click on this blog.
Back to 10 years ago, I have always envied at those fellows who stayed at OBD. It was like a magical moment in my life when I moved in here sometime around early 2006. Honestly I feel proud to be here. Like everyone here, I hope we can maintain and uphold those inherited values for our next generations.
During my stay here, as some of you may knew, I did have difficult time with the past and present MC and I also gave them difficult time (but not very serious one lah). Sometime I get emotional and wrote them nasty letters when my calls for action were not answered. I have to accept it. It was a collective decision by the MC. Miserable things happened everyday, everywhere, in the office or even at home.
The MC cannot make everyone happy and not everyone is happy with the MC. What is important here is the “attitude” we adopt in dealing with human/personal differences. The use of wrong attitude could leads to misunderstanding. For instance, I would get annoyed if I make calls to someone and never get answered after several attempts. But if the receiver simply text me a message to say he is busy, it will make me feel much more comfortable for his “positive attitude”.
And I think what is lacking here is an effective channel of communication and the show of positive attitude by both parties in dealing with differences. Again, I am not accusing any particular person here.
Part 2 :
If for all decisions made by the MC, the residents are given another chance to vote for or against the decisions through a polling system, a lot of unnecessary misunderstanding could have been avoided. Even our Government’s policy can be reversed after hearing to the rakyat’s views. Although such mechanism is not applied in any condo management system, at least it removes the element of “not being transparent” in the management. It can be a sensitive topic when we talk about transparency and trustworthiness in a condo management. Until now, I have never question the integrity of the MC in managing our fund.
With due respect to what the MC had achieved, I do believe that all MC had acted in good faith in carrying out their duty in the best interest of the community. Don’t get me wrong again for telling all the good things of the MC. It is a matter of facts that we saw some accomplishments which we must acknowledge. It doesn’t serve any purpose if I raise my complaints here.
Back to the support Ms Lai had gathered, since there is sufficient support for an EGM, why didn’t the MC just respect those who had expressed their wish and proceed with the EGM? Let’s put aside those acts, rules or by-laws and I am not telling you to succumb to pressure. Although the earlier AGM could have convened in a legal manner but what is wrong to call for an EGM since the residents had showed their support? What the residents wanted from the EGM is to have new members.
At this point of time, no one knows whether the EGM will be convened as expected. But, to close this chapter, I have these advice for both parties :
1. to the MC, just proceed with the EGM and let the residents to have more representations ;
2. to the pro-EGM group, in the event the EGM was not convened for whatever reasons, just wait for another year, be patient. We can come back again next year, but it will be under a healthy competition environment without any personal attack.
Both parties must be able to compromise and put aside personal differences to make things happen. Otherwise we see no end to this even though the EGM is convened. We will have new members fighting against old members again. In fact more harm could be done (I mean the inter-personal relationship between members) if the pro-EGM group managed to “force through” the EGM.
Both parties may risk loosing their followers if this issue is not put to an end in short time. Supporters may get tired and leave the battle ground for more relevant issues. Although I supported Ms Lai’s movement, I also want to see a quick end to the issue.
As we can see from this blog, more residents get involved and dragged into the already milky pond. I am not asking residents not to come in but I sincerely urge all parties to end this “quarrel”. Just as what Sean said, let’s have a cup of tea and end the quarrel. We all start from a new tomorrow.
There is no right or wrong here. There is no winner here. Everyone is going to be a LOSER.
We all have our own thoughts and stand, but what is more important here is to stop here. Whatever allegations or accusations, wherever have said, let’s put them aside. DO NOT pursue further. It is not going to solve the problems and it will never end.
I believe you will gain more respect for compromising in this critical situation. So, please compose ourselves and look forward to a joyous festival season.
Some may not agree with my comments above, but one thing for sure, IT HAS TO STOP, AND STOP NOW.
Hi, Sean, can we have a cup of tea next week? We are not going to talk about the EGM, just casual chit chat and get to know each other better. I believe this is the first step in building a healthy relationship.
Let’s have a peaceful weekend.
Hi everyone. I shifted here almost 5 years ago. Unfortunately I missed out on the past AGMs.
I have been reading this blog diligently, trying to grasp what the real issues are and whether I can read anything in between the lines. What I can conclude is this, we have here all the necessary ingredients for a great 'soap opera'.
We definitely have lots of misunderstanding, different interpretation of procedures, laying of hands ( luckily no real violence yet), angry words,tears, religion, malicious gossiping,fear of one's safety, peace loving citizens/residents calling for reconciliation, the only thing missing, is romance and a happy ending.
For sure this 'in-fighting' and misunderstanding must cease. I find Kenny's comments very refreshing although a bit too long.
I for one is not familiar with the house rules or whatever relevant law.
If the 25% support threshold has been obtained, what is/should be the next natural course of action? To proceed with EGM or for the current MC to explain or convince the residents otherwise? What should it be?
From what I can see the 2 ladies have some serious misunderstandings/miscommunications. Both calling each other liars and etc. I ask myself in any given situation can any 2 parties be right at the same time, or be wrong/lying at the same time.
From my limited understanding of human nature, very likely only 1 is telling the truth and the other, I leave it to your imagination.
I don't know the 2 ladies very well.
Having a religion helps to guide us in our daily undertakings and conducts. We definitely need divine help in this stressful existence of ours. Of course I do not condone shouting ( in this case it was explained as speaking loudly).
Madam Lai said ( hope I recall correctly, since there is so much info to filter through before I can compose my thoughts)the words came out in such a manner because of the hurt, nasty gossip she had to endure.
If anyone has actually hear of it please state so, no need details of the alleged gossip, if any of the residents are not comfortable to do so. But it will add spice to our 'soap opera' if you want to. Please just facts.
If the bad gossip is indeed true, the emotional part of each and everyone of us can understand her sudden outburst. I state for the record again, I don't condone the shouting part, but only the natural emotional reaction/outburst. Of couse having a religion should help to curb it, unfortunately we are not perfect even how devoted or how pious we are. I remeber this phrase, " To err is humane, to forgive divine".
I have no idea how this whole will be resolved. A bit of give and take from all parties and a bit of soul searching may help.
I hope I have not been too long winded ( sorry, Kenny you still hold the record for the longest comment, and a good one at it too).
Thank you for your time and good night.
Regards,
Tan
This is Kathleen from Block B. I am the frazzled looking mom you see every morning, walking her child to catch his ride to school.
As a female, I am concerned with the issues raised in Lina's entry on 11th November. Is OBD so unsafe now?
She mentioned that few residents have acted aggresively, scolding vulgarities and issuing threats on certain issues, and a distressing incident, where an owner has laid hand on our mild mannered Mr. Chen.
I ask myself, what could have triggered this. To my knowledge this has never happened in OBD, utterly unbelievable.
Are any of the above unpleasant incidents related in any way, or attributed to Madam Lai?
If yes, please enlighten us? If not, in all fairness, please state otherwise. Reading Lina's entry at first glance, I had this impression that Madam Lai was somehow implicated. I read a few times just to be sure. If I miscontrued Lina's entry, my humble apologies, hopefully the majority of our observant OBD readers would not have miscontrued it as such.
Could someone shed some light as to why the respective residents in question ( please, no names) acted in the above manner. Are the issues too sensitive in nature to be mentioned?
I recall a conversation about someone (no idea who)laying hand on Mr. Chen when I was at the management office not long after it happened. I was there to settle my bills. Once done, I did not linger long for the details.
Asking for the identity of the person at this stage, would serve no purpose but to embarass him/her.
I think the person is very likely a man, as no woman would be capable of such aggresiveness.
Rumours had it, is has to do with the 'no pets notice' posted on the notice board at Block A and the notice entitled 'Dog' placed in our letter box. I don't think any of us could have missed the former, the odd red notice. This is the first time I saw a red notice. It clearly shouts out "come, come and have a look, very important news".
Surprisingly the red notice did not stay there for long, if I recall correctly, only a week. I find this rather unusual as most postings (both advertisements and management's notices)will be left there for a few weeks at least. Some are still there even after the date of event. Why on that notice board and not the one at the lobby, where most of all the management's notices are placed? Perhaps there was no space, or Block A will serve as better place to attract attention. Well, it certainly attracted mine.
I wonder whether this "laying of hand" incident has anything to do with the above notices? Can Lina confirm?
I strongly disagree with such act of violence but on the other hand, understand the unique bond forged between humans and animals. I had pets before, 5 of them in the span of 20 years ( safe to assume it was not in OBD). I still remember them in great fondness. Some may be loved and treated as family members and are protected as such.
Rules are rigid, lacking emotions, but our management team is not. Did the management office try to resolve this sensitive issue amicably with the owners in question?
Not easy I am sure, but perhaps if extra care, thought and sensitivity went into the whole exercise, the ugly incident could have been avoided. There is then no issue for any or us to have phobia of being unsafe, like Lina, to walk and conduct our daily activities within the walls of OBD. Hopefully the situation has improved with you Lina.
I will end this entry by asking what prompted the issuance of the notices out of the blue? Is this a follow up of the 2 non-specific complaints received in the last 12 months ( why only act after so long and at this moment, when there is an EGM call), or was is targeted at someone in particular, someone who is an animal activist, and pet owner? Is there a connection here or am I thinking incoherently at this early hour. Very likely the latter, as I am just about to knock off.
Thank you.
Hi people,
Someone ask me about this blog - the usual who, what and why type of questions.
I hope to clarify these with this posting.
Well, the administrator of the blog is Shanthi (a resident of OBD) and the blog serves among other things -
"... With this blog, I hope to get to know the OBD community I live with and the issues that affect us. I also hope this blog will serve as a platform for other residents to interact and share thoughts...".
Personally, I like the setting up of the blog and also the OBD FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/inbox/?folder=[fb]messages&page=1&tid=1147416044865#/group.php?gid=16111204157&ref=ts
I think the Facebook (FB) is terrific for discussion and social networking, but you are welcome to use either as your networking platform.
While I'm the administrator of the FB of OBD Garden Tower Condominium Taman Desa Kuala Lumpur Malaysia, I'm happy to relinquish this position should anyone from OBD wants to help with this FB.
Having said that, I think we are all clear that both this blog and the FB are not formal communication channels to OBD's Management Council (MC).
That is why I kept saying that, the views expressed here are that of my own and not that of the MC.
In fact both these channels are not sanctioned by the MC.
It took me quite a bit of thinking before I wrote the above because I'm worried that readers may misinterpret what I wrote above.
Therefore, let me clarify again.
There's no hidden meaning/agenda in the above.
Just a simple clarification that this blog (and my FB) are not sanctioned by the OBD MC.
I'm keen to host a small poolside tea party (unlike the one done in Boston in 1773) just for us to gather, chit-chat, get to know each other better, wash down any misunderstanding with some green tea from our Japanese restaurant and hope that from better understanding comes acceptance of each other... and ultimately peace...
Cheers... well, you can bring some sake too if you want...
Hi Kathleen,
Firstly, I like to clarify that I'm not engaged in this blog as a member of the MC, therefore feels that I'm not in the position to answer on behalf of the MC.
Secondly, whatever I wrote in this blog is without prejudice to anyone, just situations that happened upon me. Therefore it's subjective to individual's interpretation.
I have no idea whether the mentioned incidents have anything to do with Ms Lai and in my writings I assumed that these are independent events.
If anyone read this differently, I apologize and clarify for the record that I am not implicitly and/or explicity saying these events are connected to Ms Lai in anyway.
I reiterate that I'm clarifying that these events are independent events.
Lastly, I'll excuse myself from this blog, maybe until more constructive topic arises.
As an owner, would like to contribute more positive energies towards making a better OBD.
Wishing All a Joyous Festive Season Ahead! Best of Health!
Bye!
Hi Lina,
Thanks for clarifying the situation.
To students who are sitting for the SPM and STPM exams, all the very best. May you have good health, clear mind and good weather throughout.
Kathleen
Hey anyone saw the movie 2012? Storyline – too predictable but the cinematography was good – should watch on the biggest screen ever!
I was much humbled by the movie. One important lesson learnt – TO CARE ABOUT OTHERS.
Our care, understanding & tolerance for each other are significantly crucial esp. in a condominium circumstance.
In our fast paced lives, we easily forget our connection with the people around us, our loved ones, our friends, our neighbours. Just like we forget the miracle of the air that we breathe, the water and the land that we live on.
We all know that we have a mutual shared responsibility for each other here in OBD. Civic responsibility and morality.
What’s past is past. OBD needs to move on. Its really quite immaterial now to investigate who has hit Mr Chen, male or female, when & why..as we all know, the truth will not surface.
Leave the small-minded & hostile people behind and move on. Instead, lets all be humbled by these incidents and move on to more constructive & positive efforts to heal OBD.
Lets work on the value of our connection to each other. We need tolerance and harmony. No more finger pointing, manipulations and deceptions.
We are living in perilous times. Markets around the world are still uncertain. The starving are already starving, the wars are still fighting and more catastrophe to come. When will it all end? Hey people, lets not make our lives even more complicated.
Sean, Kenny, Kathleen, Lina and many other anonymous are right. WE NEED TO PUT OUR DIFFERENCES ASIDE.
To help OBD, one doesn’t need fame or glory. MC or sub-MC, these positions are of little importance. An altruistic effort doesn’t need recognition.
Lets practice tolerance, understanding and harmony.
LETS ALL BE HUMBLED.
Thank you for your time.
A Big Hi to all residents of OBD. I do hope we all could live up to anonymous expectations.Take a look around us, we have food on the table and most importantly we have a comfortable place to come home to.Aren't we much more fortunate than those victims of war and natural disasters? Appreciate what we have and let's celebrate the coming festive season with abundant love to share with each other. Merry X'mas and Happy New Year.
Good morning everyone.
The words AGM, EGM kept coming out in this blog. It has been interesting how this whole scenario has developed. I for one don't understand how AGM and EGM works, what rules, what to do in meetings, how to raise questions, vote and etc. Looking at the house rules is enough to confuse me, I personally don't find it straightforward, maybe too technical for my understanding, and definitely, too dry a reading material. To me it is just like going through a company's annual report. I am sure many owners feel this way.
Would appreciate if office can list out pointers as to how AGM/EGM is conducted, please in lay man terms, short and precise. I am sure owners will appreciate this and may look forward to attending future meetings with this new found knowledge. If one can't understand how a meeting works, would he or she be bothered to attend and participate? I won't. With more knowledge and understanding more owners can contribute better.
Maybe the pointers can be posted on a new notice board at the corridor of Tower B? Lots of space there. Owners can conveniently view at all times of the day, weekends and public holidays, without having to view them during office hours only. Most owners usually come back after the office is long closed and leaves OBD for work at early hours. Very difficult of us working people to drop by at the office.
Can management look into this? Thanks. My shift is about to start, I have to leave for work now.
I know Ms Lai as our boys study in KL American International School but different grade. We are not that close.
She is very involved in dogs and cats charity groups. I have seen her animals adoption work at school’s notice board, I do not know how to praise her in words, but she is unusual person, she works with most earnest and sincerity.
I read few articles in the blog found some language and content to be violent, full of accusation.
If what posted on the blog by Ms Lai is correct, she did not use any bad words. The way they say it is too much. Their attack if compare with Ms Lai’s loud voice or shouting is nothing.
I copy something from Taiwan Buddhist Tzu-Chi Foundation Malaysia, Jing Si Aphorisms: -
"To forgive others is in fact being kind to ourselves"
"Before criticizing others, think first whether we perfect"
Nowadays in advance countries like America or Japan, people are encouraged to participate in charity work. How wonderful this is? In Japan, if a teacher resigned and want to teach again, the person must not only pass exams again but also pass a voluntary work report during the non teaching period.
When my son apply for university in America, he even need to write down how many voluntary work he has done before finishing high school, this will help him with marks to enter university.
Ms Lai wrote down her volunteer experience. I think this is to let OBD owners to know and understand her better. I think that is fine, what she did she just say it, not to praise herself.
My friend received a call from Council Member to check on signature for EGM call. Was asked if forced or lied to by Ms Lai to get signature. If yes or want to change mind can sign on another paper to revoke the call for EGM. My friend felt frightened, said not well and did not open door to anyone for 2 days. She checked with Ms Lai, then felt safe to sign for documents on EGM from management office. Continuously other owners have call Ms Lai to confirm on this matter.
I sense something is not quite right. Why a plain person like Ms Lai with such courage and sincerity have to face so much obstacles in the EGM call.
I do not reside in OBD but am a frequent visitor. I reside in one of the condo at Taman Desa.
My impression of OBD has always been good, the pool and common areas are well kept, and according to my friends, the security has improved alot. This is the main plus point of condo living. It is scary to hear of so many robberies and car thefts from the Taman Desa community newspaper. I also enjoy going to the friendly Japanese restaurant for an occasional treat. Would love to shift over had it not been for the hefty price tag, just way beyond my budget.
Where I reside, there is also a residents' management committee. The thing is, almost the same team has been managing my condo for more than 5 years. Only the odd one or two new faces every year, if any.
I heard from my OBD friends that there is EGM movement going on. From what I know, more people is keen to join the management team. I find it to be good thing. This has never happened in my condo. Not many show interest to join and the same people has been sitting in the management team for ages.
I personally feel it is not healthy to run the show for so long. I am a Chinese and there is a Chinese saying "If you sit too long your roots will grow". I think it generally means, one may find difficulty in coming down from a position or up rooting from a situation if one is there for too long.
I am not sure if my management needs to follow any rule as to how long they can serve. Like in political parties there is a fixed period, maybe 2 or 3 terms only. New people should be trained by the experienced members and be exposed to the workings of condo management before they can join, assuming they stand for election and get voted in eventually.
OBD has certainly set the benchmark for condo living in Taman Desa, perhaps a good example to the other condos by setting up a fixed term on how long a team can run the management. I will try to suggest the same for my condo.
Thanks for your time and attention.
Dear All
I am a long time resident of OBD. Yes, I agree totally that OBD has set a benchmark for condo living in Taman Desa. As such, I hope that we can all adhere and maintain that status.
As far as I know, there is no such thing as setting a fixed term for members in the MC to run the Management. Every new MC are only good for one year. If the same members are re-elected, then they continue to stay in the MC. It is not in the Act that there be a fixed term for the team to run the Management. You can check this out with the authorities but am pretty sure it is not in the Act.
As for anonymous who wanted the office to list out pointers on how AGM/EGM is conducted, I feel that he/she should just look up in the Internet for answers or just go to MPH bookstores, there's plenty of books on how these things. The team in the MC are just volunteers and they have more pressing matters to attend to than teaching us the whats and hows of AGM/EGM.
Even lawyers are not well-versed in AGM/EGM - the best person would be the the Company Secretary.
I feel that we should be reasonable and not suggest irrelevant demands.
In this day and age, everyone have to do some homework and come prepared.
I am not in the MC but under the circumstances in OBD, I seriously feel that we should all bear some responsibilties and see both sides of the scenarios.
The above are just some personal views. No offence.
Thank you.
Can't we have a HOUSE RULE to limit the number of years a MC can serve ? Act is overall rule ,HOUSE RULE apply to house, just like selangor state government or kelantan state government is not following some of the federal act but make their own rule !
After reading Kenny and Tan’s, sincere and peaceful messages, I felt compelled as an owner to say something on this blog.
At first I did not give Ms Lai my signature to support the EGM call because I was not around during that period and did not attend the AGM.
I read November 11, 2009 message at 8:39 am and 11:55 am. One of them wrote "If one is not selfless, genuine, sincere and HUMBLE, then one should not volunteer to be in the MC". I am grateful when more people can volunteer to keep a check and balance on OBD matter. After all, we humans are not perfect, if perfect, we are not humans.
I myself have lots of weak points. It would be good to reflect on our mistakes and conducts during our quiet time.
As an anonymous said "We are living in a big same roof, why not live in a peaceful way, MC has done a lot for OBD this 2 years". I think all owners know and still support the call for EGM, the law say 25% needed to call EGM, since 35% owner already signed to support EGM, why the existing MC hesitate.is MC above the law ? have the EGM PLEASE and let owners decide.
From Mr Sean said on November 10, 2009 : Ms Lai, if you think I'm a good man, will you take my advise -stop all these and at the next AGM, propose 14 MC, go to vote.
From Mr. Kenny said part 2 on November 13, 2009 : to the pro-EGM group, in the event the EGM was not convened for whatever reasons, just wait for another year, be patient. We can come back again next year, but it will be under a healthy competition environment without any personal attack.
I am a Taiwanese and please understand my English is not good enough. I read OBD blog every day, read and read, trying my best to understand and learn English. Now I decided to take the good man, Mr. Sean's advice to stop pushing for EGM and wait for next AGM. Also THANKS for Kenny's sincere comments. I hope all owners who supported the EGM call will be understanding and please attend the 2010 AGM. Thank you very much. Wishing everyone Merry Chrismas and A Happy New Year.
Hi Ms Lai,
I'm happy that you have decided to wait for the next AGM.
I put my personal reputation on the line to assure you that the current MC is doing a really good job. I sit in other MCs and JMB in other condos. No other MC I know of is as diligent or as responsible as OBD's.
I believe the current MC will work on having the AGM soonest possible. Maybe even as soon as May 2010. Having said this, please understand that this is my personal opinion and not that of the MC.
I believe having good intention alone is not enough. It is a necessary but insufficient condition for a good MC. We need to supplement the good intention with necessary knowledge. We all need to learn how to manage a property properly and it entails at least good knowledge in these areas.
1. Financial - Cash flow monitoring, planning. We need to have at least a 5 year cash flow plan in anticipation of large CAPEX eg. lift repairs. At the very least we need to make sure our annual collection is more than sufficient to cover our OPEX.
2. Legal - we are govern by the Strata Title Act and also DBKL's bylaws over and above the other laws. Sometimes we need some knowledge of even the penal code in dealing with issues with possible criminal element.
3. Operations - we need people who understands operations. How do you set up scope of work, standard operation procedures for the guards, the management office, the cleaners...
4. Mature objective members - there will be many decisions whereby the factors are not black or white, but is subjective in nature. Eg. what color should the walls be? What kind of furniture should our pool side have?
I have not met anyone who claim themselves not to be mature or objective, but such is human nature.
We need patience and compassion in our MC. Compassion not just for the residents but also those who serve the residents.
We need MC with no conflicts of interest who is willing to serve selflessly - without pride nor prejudice, to speak without fear nor favor but always diplomatically. Our country has too many self serving politicians already and we don't need these in our MC.
It is my personal belief that those with conflict of interest should not be on the MC.
I believe the current MC has the above good qualities in abundance.
However, I believe the next MC we need to bring in more "new" people so that we can share the above knowledge that we have learned through experience so that OBD can continue to be a good place to live in. It doesn't matter whether you are a CEO or a homemaker - humans can learn.
I wrote the above because in all likely hood, I will not be serving OBD as a MC in the next term, and I humbly hope the above may guide us in selecting a good MC.
I remain keen to catch up with anyone who has good intentions in their heart, smile on their face and some small change in their pockets... so that we can pay for the tea... and as we sip tea together, may the warmth of the tea also warm our soul and bond us together as life long friends...
If you look at the whole saga objectively, the common thread is that WE ALL want good things for OBD and let that be our common song to bring music to OBD.
My father used to tell me - if we can't be friends, at least let us not be enemies because life is too short.
Hi Shanthi,
As Lai Yi Chin has decided not to push for an Egm,and 'good man' Sean has given his sound advice..what have you as the blog administrator got to say? Would really like to join Sean"s tea party. Merry Christmas and A happy 2010.
Hi,
There's a Facebook account set up for discussions on OBD.
Look for - OBD Garden Tower Condominium Taman Desa Kuala Lumpur Malaysia
Follow this link - http://www.facebook.com/#/group.php?gid=16111204157&ref=ts
It's very suitable for us to discuss matters, post calenders, even have online chat.
You are welcome to join this.
Thanks.
shanthi
please keep this blog remain open for OBD. you have done a excellent work, it would be good to see you contesting the next MC election rather than the same faces for last few years !
Hi, my name is Sheela and I have lived in OBD for the past 6 years. I have known Ms Lai since I moved here and as far as I'm concern, she is a sincere, honest and kind person. She has sacrificed her time, money and energy to call for an EGM as she feels very strongly about OBD and loves this place. I wish more people could be like her.
There is simple nothing wrong with having 11 MC's, neither is there anything wrong with having additional members if they are willing. I was at the AGM and I too must not have heard or maybe misunderstood when the proposed nomination was closed at 11.
I was definitely taken aback by the notice of the "No pets allowed" which came so timely as the call for the EGM. The funny thing is that I don't know if it was from the Management, the MC or a ghost. I believe all notices issued by the management should be printed on their letterhead! I am a dog lover so I definitely do not welcome such notices.
I must say that so far OBD has been a great place to stay for my family, in terms of enjoyment and security. However, i do wish there was a cafeteria, in the building, serving affordable & reasonable local food. I lived in Sri Wangsaria, Bangsar and they have a local cafeteria and food was good and reasonable. They also deliver. Well, wish wish and someday it may come true!
Goodnight and Merry Ho! Ho! Ho! to everyone.
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